What Is Fair ?

Fantastic post by Hopi I had much to say and this is an edit :

Tax credits are paid for by working people and their children under threat of imprisonment . It has been delivered incompetently ,encourages fraud and pushes down minimum wages . Frank Field called it ,“Last throw of the politics of central control“. and said “ The effect of Gordon Brown’s reforms has been to create a degree of dependency among the working population hitherto unknown “,and ….,“ No free society can function when very large sections of the working population are imprisoned in a welfare system that their own efforts make little difference to their income “ .Why did your hero Tony Blair have such faith in this ‘misguided’ man , got a point no ?
Relative poverty would ultimately justify throwing wealth in the sea whilst only maintaining the real value of benefits We are getting quickly more equal now , happy ? Still happy about ‘sacrificing growth’ your words ? Ta for that .
You read across from Thatcher to Blair if that`s ok why not from Callaghan to Thatcher . Would the poor would have benefited from our continuing towards East German perfection . Say what you like about the Stasi they really did have equality there and full employment , probably made the trains run on time .
“Fair” is a pious platitude without agreed responsibilities between specified parties .When did we agree , and who is “we“ ? . If those duties are less limitless as you seem to , then massive redistribution follows until you either run out of other peoples money or 20th century .Are “we “ ,the Sudanese , everyone ,my children , future generations , the English ? . You draw the line along a fragmented electoral area, I emphasise my family more and outwards with weakening ties , which is fair , which is licensed robbery ?
You redistribute from South to North , England to Scotland , Private Sector to Public Sector , Everyone else to Unionised workers , Successful to failing ,working to idle, Future to Present ..(as well as healthy to sick and everyone to the destitute which I agree with ),. If you rob Peter to pay Paul Paul will vote for you but it has nothing to do with fair .
Perhaps the rich ought to behave charitably , they often do , but Mayfair is a ‘contemptible stereotype ‘. Your problem The working-class home owning private sector Southern self employed man and family.. They make sacrifices not you, you do rather nicely out of it .
Granting that redistribution is otherwise neutral *holds nose* , Is this a reasonable summary ?
Conservative - Good safety net not as good for those failing but just above. Plenty to aspire to
Labour - Good safety net but even better for those failing above that level . Commensurately worse , at least , for anyone above the failure zone or who aspires to be in it .
“Workers Unite” a could win an election once “Losers Unite “ cannot that is the problem New labour was supposed to solve. You are a Brownie now Hopi , twist around and vanish …..?