Thursday, November 29, 2007

The Hunters Hunted

Yesterday the judicial committee of the House of Lords has dismissed the challenge of the Countryside Alliance to the legality of the Hunting Act 2004. C`est fini for the hunting supporters in the domestic courts and I gather it is inconceivable that the European Courts will come to a different conclusion. I have certain interest in this because the sitting MP for my new home is one Norman Baker, who after a glittering career managing an Our Price record shop became the mystifyingly popular Liberal MP for Lewes. Mystifying because in a town with a clear pride in its country and its military past he hates the Royal family , drivels on about fluffy bunnies and their rights detests hunters and is a member of the beverage ( ok Beveridge ), group a far lefty tax and spend appeasing fidgety self righteous nuisance cabal .
On animal rights I am incredulous of the time wasted in Parliament. They taste nice as they are less likely to die surrounded with weeping relatives than with the salivating maugh of a predator . They are not furry people and opponents of it are driven by a bizarre pot-pourri of class resentment half baked pseudo religion and general wetness. Their strongest argument is that we have banned cock fighting, dog fighting, badger baiting, bear baiting and the like on grounds of cruelty. I would point out that we are tolerant of far crueller halal and kosher butchery as well as shooting and fishing . These are either popular and therefore immune from the busy bodies or enshrined in an ethnic tradition .I agree that the place of actions within a culture has a bearing on the way we judge them. We broadly accept that context is part of an acts meaning .We ban urban animal torture we did not ban immemorial country pursuits like hunting which take place where the life and death of animals is deeply written into its seasonal rhythms. Of course Blair’s interest in the ban was to appease the dogs on string nits that support the Labour Party
We have to kill foxes anyway and if some people like chasing them around what on earth is the problem The fox population in England and Wales is about 217,000. It doubles during the breeding season and reverts to its starting level . Foxes are a pest and the fox population has to be culled . In the period before the 2004 Act, some 21,000-25,000 foxes were killed by hunting each year (roughly 10% of those who died from all causes), up to 11,000 of these being dug out by terriers) Of those foxes which are not killed each year by hunting or on the road, the great majority, perhaps 80,000, are shot.

Would Norman Baker like to have law whereby animals are prevented from being cruel to each-other. Perhaps he would like them to come and live in his house ? We can assume they will not be allowed to smoke if they do for he failed, like a good Libertarian , to vote against the smoking ban inflicted on a sullen and bitter England by the “Party of the Working Man” aka photo-genic Nu-Lab media studies bimbo Caroline Flint .Don’t Liberals love banning things , unless of course they are ethnic customs ( every ethnicity except the English that is.)


Philipa said...

View halloo!

I've never hunted and have found the arrogant attitude of some hunts really reprehensible but I don't have a problem with hunting, not at all. It's a more natural way to go than being gassed, keeps the land profitable and naturally beautiful (much better than an american golf course) and gets rid of the nasty little vermin. If only they did it in the city of London!

Little Black Sambo said...

Dead right again!
The cheering aspect of this is, that, whereas most people apparently thing: hunting has been abolished & that is the end of the matter and we can go on to another pressing piece of control-freakery - in fact fox hunting has more support than ever, and there is little the control freaks can do about it. Provided the hunt starts off following a smelly sock, or is accompanied by a bird of prey they can keep within the stupid law.

Anonymous said...

I love to see foxes, especially at night when they flash across our fields like golden ghosts.

However, they chase my cats...because foxes are of course brutal predators who think nothing of ripping a cat, dog, chicken or their more traditional prey apart alive.

Yet nulabbers continue to spin that nature, including dear little foxes, is not red in tooth and claw but calming shades of fluffy bunny white because it suits their ideological agenda and payroll voters.

Auntie Flo'

Newmania said...

If only they did it in the city of London!

I have seen piles of them Phillipa in S London and they are everywhere

Newmania said...

Provided the hunt starts off following a smelly sock,

yes I was looking at the law you almost wionder if it is deliberately fool porous

Newmania said...

I like to see Foxes Flo and I love dogs and cats , horses and feel affection to them. I also eat meat and do not object to hunting and fishing .

For me these contradictions are not a problem.

A cat lover as well eh... . MIne are exceedingly superior

Ed said...

Foxes were single out because urbanites believe them to be "nice" because they look cute. Classic class war.

London now has masses of foxes, I saw one in Manchester once too. They don't attack humans yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if in a few generations they become a bit tamer like the pigeons have. Then all hell will break loose.

I don't see that the law was left wide open, N, I just suspect that very little thought went into it. Blair's heart wasn't really in it he just wanted to keep the lunatics in his party on side for a bit longer.

Newmania said...

As usual Ed I think you have it just right

Philipa said...

Yup, Ed's right again - Ed will you PLEASE stand for parliament, at the very least you'll get elected and have lots of pretty researchers doting on you :-)

Little Black Sambo said...

Let's hope the smoking ban fizzles out in the same way. I can't believe that English people are so utterly craven as they appear. Will they really have the courage to resist ID cards?

Anonymous said...

LBS - no they'll just whinge a bit and jowls will shake and hurrumphing will happen and the government will do as it pleases.

Lord James-River said...

Completely agree. To hell with the law though - let's get hunting!

Political Umpire said...

There are two questions:

1. Whether hunting should be banned.

2. If so, whether this Act is any use.

Most seem to think the answer to (1) is no. If you don't agree with hunting, don't do it. But there are those out there who think that hunting is analogous to bear baiting etc and falls to be condemned as cruel.

Even such well meaning citizens would, however, have to agree that the answer to question (2) is no. The Act is rubbish. It does not ban hunting; only hunting with dogs. Even then it doesn't render it a criminal offence if one's dogs happen across a fox and, as the playstation generation might put it, 'space it'. Thus all of the following are permissible:

1. Hunting with a bird of prey

2. Shooting (worse for foxes in that they might not die instantly; doubly worse in that there is no closed season, therefore vixens with cubs may be killed which does not occur because of traditional hunting).

3. Walking with one's dogs innocently in the park whereupon one's dogs find a fox and kill it. My bullmastiff/staffie cross would have killed a fox, but possibly in a more lingering fashion than a pack of hounds.

4. As noted, drag hunting, which amounts to the same thing once the hounds find something more entertaining to chase.

Some say it's all about toffs and cruelty. Er no, since genuine 'toffs' can go to France and hunt whereas lowly paid agricultural workers will be out of a job. As for them 'enjoying' the cruelty, I hope rat catchers aren't going to be hounded (smirk) out of a job because they happen to enjoy their work, even if I'm sure they don't.

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