In A Pickle On Immigration

I have been reading the superb Pickled Politics .Leftist, and a bit PC you might not expect me to loathe it, but au contraire . We cannot all agree and it is open different and good humoured.I recommend you visit.The following remarks were made by the editor which I ended up answering fully.

Sunny Said
I’d love to see evidence of the Tory party moving on from the old days of naked racism.. ……Incidentally, it may be that a population the size of Liverpool is coming here… but around a similar size is emigrating or returning back to their home country……….The CBI has said plenty of times that immigration is economically positive for Britain."

Newmania replies
Again this meretricious mantra “ Conservatives are racists “ ?.To have every loyalty to your country and culture derided as "racism" along phoney PC lines is unacceptable . Brown is the one promising “British jobs for British workers “ not the Conservative Party whom you slander out of sheer habit .

The CBI are speaking on behalf of big business, for whom immigration is an unalloyed good. They are not paying for the services, they just like the flexible Labour force. Migration watch , a revisionist academic group, reckon that an immigrant contributes about a Mars bar a month, net. There is no accounting for the lost cultural capital though, which in practice people vote for with their feet by moving. Migration watch have been proved right in every disagreement with the government over statistics over a period of years.

Irwin Selzer is a balanced commentator, and he said there are winners and losers Employers get cheap labour and we get cheap goods . Low paid Brits lose out and those dependent on services lose out .Others note that in Iceland with 300,000 and no immigration at all they the 6th highest GDP per capita in the world. Some ,moreover, doubt that a country that fought two world wars and ran a quarter of the world could not have survived with its indigenous talents. Clearly it could, but there would have been debits to the equation.

I think immigration in moderate numbers is a sort of spiritual good, and a necessary cultural tonic.I am unconvinced that we don’t pay for it initially or that we should be expected to have no say on rate pof change.The economic argument is secondary , in my view, to the continuity and integrity of the national culture.

Many immigrants agree .A MORI Poll showed that 68% of us thought there were too many immigrants and this view was shared by 45% of Asians and 48% of blacks . 56% believed that immigrants received unfair priority on housing and services, a view popularised by the Labour Politician Margaret Hodge in Barking .Figures are clearly underestimated though - London Boroughs have vehemently complained that grants , linked on government stats are always inadequate to the real experienced immigration( Including left Councils , which may account for the cross ethnicity agreement ).Other Surveys put the level of concern higher .The Economist … found that 75% of Britain’s wish to see an overall limit to immigration.

.The white English are still the biggest ethnic group by far, but it is becoming only one of many .It is no longer true to say that the country is basically ethnically English After 1000 years of racial and cultural homogeneity and many wars fought to preserve this state, it is a remarkable how little difficulty there has been .Emigration ,at record levels , is about half as large a factor, in the rapidly changing face of Britain.

Second generation communities are sometimes less integrated than their parents, so the effect of contemporary changes will be greatly multiplied over time .
I am not against immigartion and I am certainly not unaware of the advantages of new people in our midst .I only say that the rate of change is far to fast. I advocate common sense and caution I deplore the quasi religious PC agenda whereby to comment at all is ,"Racist". . Those are my thoughts and these are …

………………………………......THE FACTS


In a recent survey of young Muslims One in 8 admires al Qa’eda ., 40% want Sharia law in Britain and 75% want women to wear the veil. In all cases the view of the over 55s are far less radical for example only 17% wanted Sharia law in Britain. .


According to almost certainly underestimated official figures , 560000 arrive and 380000 leave annually .

2000,000NI numbers issued to non Britain’s in the last four years ,last year 713000.

There was a net emigration of 107000 British and a net immigration of 292000 other ethnicities.

…So in 25 years 7.5 million approx. of other ethnicities .

The birth rate is the highest it has been in 25 years and yet the native population is replacing itself at only a rate of 1.4 (it is imploding)

Some groups , ( not the Poles for example ), congregated in small areas. 2288,000 or 31.1 % of Londoners were born outside the UK this year.

Migration watch estimates there will be 70 million of us here in fifty years overall ( The government says 70 years ) and this is in the fourth most crowded country in the word excluding City states

Nat statistics - One in Four babies is born to a foreign mother -

White children are a minority now in a fifth of education authorities

Birmingham has 300 schools 57% of primary and 52% of secondary pupils are from non white families

.35,000 of the 96000 who settled here last year do not speak English.

A survey of 300 Mosques by the BBC showed that only 6% preached in English

Nat statistics -One in ten people are born overseas

In the first year of the governments completely underestimated the Polish and EU influx .565000 came but 380000 left . Still this leaves 185000

.In the end 579,000 Eatern European immigrants have settled here.

We have 600,000 here illegally

Last year the ONS concluded they had been 45,000 under the count for years .


After the expansion of the EU 13000 were predicted but thus far that has been 70,000


Of the 3 million homes to be built in the SE 1million if them according to govt, figures ( quoted by N Soames MP and unchallenged ) will be taken by immigrants not yet here .

London has 690,000 jobless adults all of whom are eligible for skill less jobs taken on by immigrants .

A quarter of new households under Labour have been immigrant households

Some Good news .

Interesting ethnic breakdown on the work-shy of London .Least likely to be workless are THE INDIANS followed by the whites . …(This was on news night )


The Muslim Education centre of Oxford offered to help finance a schools legal challenge to a girls right ot wear a full face veil in class


The fastest growing group are mixed race and I am doing my best to make it more so.