Thursday, September 06, 2007

The Use Of Slaves-( By God )

The Text Today will be Exodus 21.7.-11

When a man shall sells his daughter as a slave
She shall not go out as male slaves do .If
She does not please her master, who has
Designated her for himself, then he shall let
Her be redeemed; he shall have no right to
Sell her to foreign people , since he has
Dealt faithlessly with her .If he designates
Her for his son, he shall deal with her
As a daughter. If he takes another wife to himself ,
He shall not diminish her food , her clothing or her marital rights .
And if does not do these things for her , she
Shall go out for nothing without payment
Of money

And anyone thinking of not treating their slaves in the manner approved of by God had better bear this in mind in the gentle and loving New testament

If a man does not abide with me , he is cast
Forth as a branch and withers ; and the
Branches are gathered , thrown into the fire
And burned
(Gentle ...John)

But it could be worse

If your brother, the son of your mother or
Your son or your daughter, or the wife oif
Your bosom, or your friend who is as your
Own soul, entices you secretly; saying “Let us
Go and serve other gods “... you shall not
Yield and listen to him , nor shall you
Eye pity him, nor shall you spare him,nor
Conceal him; but you shall kill him
Your hand shall be first against him to put
Him to death. You shall stone him to death
With stones....
( Deutoronomy)

Jesus Christ,... that harsh although the end bit is a bit redundant isn’t it ?

Here Endeth The lesson and “ Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of honour (Timothy)

He`s a nice guy that God isn`t he


hatfield girl said...

Emily Thornberry might have 'gone and served other gods' according to the daily maily.

Newmania said...

Crickey HG I haven`t see for aa while , last I head she was lettuing out some flats to het odious crew of smar( It was out in the local papers a while ago helpers)

Is that what you mean ?

Anonymous said...

I have tried to respond to your question as simply as I can. Here is my answer.

Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a supernatural Being.

However, it must be admitted that our actual knowledge of these laws is only imperfect and fragmentary, so that, actually the belief in the existence of basic all-embracing laws in nature also rests on a sort of faith.

All the same this faith has been largely justified so far by the success of scientific research. But, on the other hand, everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.

In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive...

You will hardly find one among the profounder sort of scientific minds without a peculiar religious feeling of his own . . . .His religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.

Is God nice?

God is subtle but not malicious


Albert Einstein

Good blog, newmania

hatfield girl said...

Thornberry is in the mail this evening having bought a council or association house in Islington cheap, as a buy to let after moaning on about affordable housing, and has let it to her parliamentary aide.

Newmania said...

Yes ...I `m afraid the little cattery we have here was aware of that a good whiole ago HG I was too busty to blog it when it came out last week in IZ.

I know one of her tenants actually . He is a 22 year Old Paulian , Labour Coucillor and parliamentary Aid.Odious beyond all reason

Newmania said...


I do not agree that scientific endevour encourages much religion .At the level of attenuation you posit it hardly measns anything anyway. I am not religious as they say but I do feel there are parts of the jig saw missing. I have tried going to church with no success....still thiking really

Anonymous said...

Many who believe in God don't go to church. I despised the church, but the war changed my mind. Here's part of letter I wrote to a friend about the church during the holocaust

Being a lover of freedom...I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced.

Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom, but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks.

Only the church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing the truth.

I never had any special interest in the church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.



Anonymous said...

I do not agree that scientific endevour encourages much religion .At the level of attenuation you posit it hardly measns anything anyway. (newmania)

At the level I posit it means everything, newmania. And even at the level I don't posit it means everything. Read what Thomas Torrance said about me:

Einstein thought of God as revealing himself in the wonderful harmony and rational beauty of the universe, which calls for a mode of non-conceptual intuitive response in humility, wonder and awe which he associated with science and art.

It was particularly in relation to science itself, however, that Einstein felt and cultivated that sense of wonder and awe. Once when Ernest Gordon, Dean of Princeton University Chapel, was asked by a fellow Scot, the photographer Alan Richards, how he could explain Einstein's combination of great intellect with apparent simplicity, he said, "I think it was his sense of reverence."

That was very true: Einstein's religious and scientific instinct were one and the same, for behind both it was his reverent intuition for God, his unabated awe at the thoughts of "the Old One", that was predominent.



Newmania said...

Only the church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing the truth.

That would not be the catholic church would it ...their record was not excatly a happy one although I wouldn`t claim to be in a position to judge. Thanks for that it is a thought provoking comment which I appreciate.

Newmania said...

The religion of Einstein is dealt with somewhat severely by Richard Dawkins with some convincing quotes showing him to be no more than vaguely theist. To me this is not a religion but as I say I wouldnot want to appear more certain than I am.

The truth is that religion has fascninated me my whole life and I return to it looking for something from time to time .On the last occassion I attended a born again type of place and when I wanted to think ,they wanted to me to accepot the spirit of the lord in a some terifying barbarous ritual . Couldn`t get out fast enough .

Steven_L said...

You completely miss the point newmania.

We are all sinners, Jesus came to save us from our sins.

If we want to live in a better world we all have to try and think and act a bit more like Jesus did.

Without spiritual guidance we are nasty wankers that stone each other to death!

Newmania said...

Yes and the bible kindly adds that for this purpose we will require 'stones '. I think I have not missed the point of these excerts , it may be a bit cheap to quote funny bits of the Bible but I have a small collection and some of it is hysterical

Steven_L said...

I've read most of it too and the Qaran. Thing is, we don't have to believe that Jesus or god wrote the Bible.

It is indeed hilarious to look back out what sort of civilisations we are capable of organising ourselves into and what laws we are capable of creating, agreeing with and ruthlessly enforcing.

All you can do is laugh really, same goes for the one we live in now, even though we have become much more human through greater scientific understanding of the world we live in and each other.

What do we laugh at now though? Who can we make crude jokes about? Who can we put down and humiliate? Vicky Pollard? The guy in the corner shop that sells you moudy bread and yesterdays newspaper? Politicans?

Vicky Pollard, yes, it is fine to put down the white working class new labour have trodden on. As for the Asians, we can still laugh at them up here in the North, most of them will laugh with you once you have build up a friendly rapport with them. Thing is they never brought the race relations industry with them to stick plasters over our mouths.


Newmania said...

Wel you can still laugh at gays , cripples and blacks SL so long as its " Ironic"

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