tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post9179082998387769890..comments2024-01-30T09:22:08.167+00:00Comments on Newmania In Lewes: Time To Get AngryNewmaniahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-45896123609549032682010-01-05T16:28:29.846+00:002010-01-05T16:28:29.846+00:00Hi Flo, Soz, just catching up with comments. I agr...Hi Flo, Soz, just catching up with comments. I agree with you completely and am not surprised you notice that there is good and bad in the demographic. Sadly not everyone does - there are so many bigots out there. I'm sick of 'em.Philipahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440234602399886097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-80155524963854881082010-01-03T02:27:10.599+00:002010-01-03T02:27:10.599+00:00Happy New Year, Philipa, Newms and everyone! Phili...Happy New Year, Philipa, Newms and everyone! Philipa, my comments were focussed on young girls who get pregnant as a career option and career unemployed people like 'Made In England', many of whom have hardly ever worked and have no intention of ever working. I was not having a go at people with genuine health problems or with those who have been left with sole care of children. The nearest most of the Made In Englands get to child care is in dodging their child maintenance payments. Please don't think I was having a go at you or others in your situation, I wasn't. I've twice been a lone parent (two divorces!) and know that it is very hard for loan parents to work and care for children single handed.Auntie Flo'noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-10720585674531961532010-01-02T23:19:54.959+00:002010-01-02T23:19:54.959+00:00Student, "So what ? I turned a whole student ...Student, "So what ? I turned a whole student grant into vodka !"<br /><br />Yes and a fair bit more as well in my case. Its left me with a life long horror of debt though. Paying it back was awfulNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-63418857942989628542010-01-02T22:55:44.950+00:002010-01-02T22:55:44.950+00:00Maybe that's why students are the most reactio...Maybe that's why students are the most reactionary in society, Pippy.<br /><br />Of student 'poverty' didn't you hear the Easter joke ?<br /><br />Vicar, "Jesus turned water into wine."<br /><br />Student, "So what ? I turned a whole student grant into vodka !"Electro-Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18073103431166273080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-10177138576591539612010-01-01T20:51:33.466+00:002010-01-01T20:51:33.466+00:00DM if the world consisted only of people who in...DM if the world consisted only of people who inherit £650,000 and people who “Work hard” on a minimum wage ( that hard work habit presumably started after such a time when the ample educational opportunities we fund were squandered )…your position would have some support . It does not of course.<br />The working class home owning self employed family typically in the South usually does a lot better than a minimum wage , a vast deal better . This is considered by many ( not you perhaps ) just reward for real work , skill endeavour and risk. This is the constituency the Labour Party appear to have irrevocably lost and for good reason <br />Pensions are gone , open competition has flooded in for the EU while the public sector sit pretty inventing qualifications .Property inflation has been allowed to run rampant ( aka a perpetual boom) and as I was suggesting the small amount involved now in IHT is not the point .It is the clear intention of the Labour to confiscate the profits of property ownership , halt social mobility and the spread of capital , a clearly horrifying prospect for the Party of state redistribution .<br />That you are able to pick to atypical cases and say from a certain perspective now it appears “Unfair “ is hardly beyond the childlike. By all means be the Party of the minimum wage immigrant apple picker and his attendant social workers .The Party of working people you are not <br /><br />Incidentally I have no figures to hand but if someone really worked their whole life for a minimum wage I would be amazed if they were not a net gainer from the whole system and paid , in effect any tax at all. <br /><br /><br />The delightful and fragrant Mr. Quangos points are of course quite right as well what he doesnot go on to sa\y os that the theory that making one group pooerer will make one group richer was tried in the East Germany which is where we would be had the Labour Party had its way in the 20th century<br /><br /><br />Happy New Year to you BQNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-22700666159926957632010-01-01T19:25:31.621+00:002010-01-01T19:25:31.621+00:00DM Andy. I don't understand your point. Surely...DM Andy. I don't understand your point. Surely the inherited wealth has had tax paid on it already too? Why should it be taxed yet again?<br /><br />A banker on 100,000 a year for say 20 years will pay at an average tax rate of 41.5% £830,000 of tax or the equivalent of eight low incomes. Thats just an average. In reality they will pay more.<br />A Million pound house has 4% stamp duty. Every time they move house its £40k. A £60k BMW pays £10.5k tax. <br />A person on minimum wage likely doesn't buy a new car and so pays no VAT.<br /><br />Your point makes no sense to me. Its not that the rich should not get to keep what they've earned, but that the very poorest have to pay at all. <br /><br />Happy New year Newmania.Bill Quango MPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14861116614665461655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-58115993891012752302010-01-01T13:39:04.136+00:002010-01-01T13:39:04.136+00:00ooops, wroong figures, the total lifetime tax by s...ooops, wroong figures, the total lifetime tax by someone on full time minimum wage for their working life is about £100k not £150k.<br /><br />The point remains though, why should the hard worker pay more tax than the idle rich?Andy DMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03762009221456303236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-5138634856673651562010-01-01T13:35:56.978+00:002010-01-01T13:35:56.978+00:00Someone working from leaving school until the day ...Someone working from leaving school until the day they retire, at the moment that's 52 years, at minimum wage would earn £650,000 over their entire lifetime. For 52 years of hard, honest toil, they would have to pay about £150,000 of that money in income tax and NI.<br /><br />Someone under the Tories who happened to inherit the same amount of money from a rich relative would pay absolutely no tax whatsoever.<br /><br />Remember, the Tories haven't suggested that any public service be cut to pay for the reduction in inheritance tax. So it's a straight shift from taxation on the fortunate to taxation on wage slaves. It's not class war to point that out.Andy DMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03762009221456303236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-64732951410988137462009-12-31T23:16:34.031+00:002009-12-31T23:16:34.031+00:00I have come to see the generosity of the ‘well bor...I have come to see the generosity of the ‘well born’ , with our money, as a sort of external cost.<br />Others bear the opportunity cost. Well born makes do with three cars and a bucket of sanctimony.Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-74604875875284759732009-12-31T21:42:18.835+00:002009-12-31T21:42:18.835+00:00Mr Wellbourne - depends what your experience of st...Mr Wellbourne - depends what your experience of student life is. I didn't go to Oxford on my parents generosity. In fact I didn't go anywhere on anything but my own independance. And I wasn't a teenager. I went from a low paid job to an even lower paid, flea ridden, walking supermarkets for pennies, student life.<br /><br />Mr Wellbourne, I wonder if you are?Philipahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440234602399886097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-13943348535956690732009-12-31T21:36:57.206+00:002009-12-31T21:36:57.206+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Philipahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440234602399886097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-7492018617252144792009-12-31T19:48:30.380+00:002009-12-31T19:48:30.380+00:00Real poverty is student life, eh.
Only a trained ...Real poverty is student life, eh.<br /><br />Only a trained mind could t hink like that.Martin Wellbournehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01224027590387598617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-84043521228438566312009-12-31T14:11:14.768+00:002009-12-31T14:11:14.768+00:00You need some real poverty? Ah, I have fond memori...You need some real poverty? Ah, I have fond memories of being a student. Maybe you should have tried that, Kev.<br /><br />Newms I am still reeling from the proposals 2 threads ago and should probably bog off, I know. But allow me to wish you and Flo a very happy new year, even though all on this blog would happily reduce me to penury such that it would destroy my family. Have a great 2010.Philipahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440234602399886097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-7085591561668656312009-12-31T13:50:30.229+00:002009-12-31T13:50:30.229+00:00We won't get angry until the springs on our kn...We won't get angry until the springs on our knackered DFS sofas are poking up our arses.<br /><br />We need some real poverty before people get motivated.<br /><br />Happy New YearElectro-Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18073103431166273080noreply@blogger.com