tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post8722423970143828554..comments2024-01-30T09:22:08.167+00:00Comments on Newmania In Lewes: Different ClassNewmaniahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-52056260068966253252008-07-11T02:44:00.000+01:002008-07-11T02:44:00.000+01:00The Dotterel,When I said that footballers were the...The Dotterel,<BR/><BR/>When I said that footballers were the aristocracy I was alluding to the amount of princesses in the Premiership.<BR/><BR/>;-)Electro-Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18073103431166273080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-63964620871503042102008-07-10T23:45:00.000+01:002008-07-10T23:45:00.000+01:00Woops, sorry, I should have said Macmillan's uncle...Woops, sorry, I should have said Macmillan's uncle knackered himself running around after his young brideAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-25181193709232963452008-07-10T23:44:00.000+01:002008-07-10T23:44:00.000+01:00How interesting Flo I must find out more about him...How interesting Flo I must find out more about him, I need a good new book<BR/><BR/>P That is such a shame well I`m dabbling when I get the time.<BR/><BR/>John...I defer to youNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-15862647739139735332008-07-10T23:43:00.000+01:002008-07-10T23:43:00.000+01:00Philipa said... Sadly I've been injured (again, ya...Philipa said... Sadly I've been injured (again, yawn) so am removing myself from the blogosphere for a bit.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Oh, no, poor you! I hope you get better soon, Philipa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-78845897411820666242008-07-10T23:22:00.000+01:002008-07-10T23:22:00.000+01:00Well, "I know my place!"Well, "I know my place!"John M Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06251285057595626917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-2082780491971054242008-07-10T22:59:00.000+01:002008-07-10T22:59:00.000+01:00Dear heart I didn't know you'd startd blogging aga...Dear heart I didn't know you'd startd blogging again. I've missed you (and Auntie Flo *waves*)<BR/><BR/>Sadly I've been injured (again, yawn) so am removing myself from the blogosphere for a bit.<BR/><BR/>xPhilipahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440234602399886097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-8981691509385338182008-07-10T22:20:00.000+01:002008-07-10T22:20:00.000+01:00You're right, newmania, we need Supermac style one...You're right, newmania, we need Supermac style one nation politics restored. Class war, even for Marx, was only ever the route to wealth and power for a small elite - just as it is for this Scots mafia destroying our country now.<BR/><BR/>The odd thing about Supermac, when he said, to paraphrase him, we're all middle class now, was he meant it. <BR/><BR/>Macmillan was quite radicalised by the extreme poverty he saw in his constituency. That, the huge sacrifice working people made during the war and I think his own background made him genuinely want to unite the nation.<BR/><BR/>Supermac's grandfather migrated with his parents and siblings from a Scottish croft to become a low paid clerk living a very seedy tenement block in London. He died quite young and Macmillan's father and his family depended on the charity of an older brother of the grandfather until Macmillan senior got work as a poor schoolmaster. <BR/><BR/>The family's fortunes only changed when Macmillan's father took over this uncle's shop - which initially did a bit of printing as a sideline - while his older brother knackered himself running around after a young bride. <BR/><BR/>I remember Macmillan saying that he loved reading Dickens, not surprising that as he was reading his own family's life story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-77177077508593433832008-07-10T12:28:00.000+01:002008-07-10T12:28:00.000+01:00. Class is about beliefs, and self-identity, rathe.... Class is about beliefs, and self-identity, rather than salary.<BR/><BR/>Theer is a classic distinction between status and class .The usual example was the vicar who impoverished though he might be was definitely middle classNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-45038616118921876582008-07-10T11:07:00.000+01:002008-07-10T11:07:00.000+01:00I don't think money has much to do with it any mor...I don't think money has much to do with it any more - and I'd not count many in the Premiership 'aristocracy'. Class is about beliefs, and self-identity, rather than salary.Tim Atkinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00858684167484655029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-28529513584545668912008-07-10T00:45:00.000+01:002008-07-10T00:45:00.000+01:00I agree with you EK I call it 'Estates' of the min...I agree with you EK I call it 'Estates' of the mind but its not just the disadvantaged who do not look up.<BR/>I had absolutely no idea it was possible to aim for something more than being lucky enough to have a job..and we were quite middle-class...lower..ish.<BR/>There is a book called "estates " out whihc talks a lot about this you might like it.Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-38828891460080083142008-07-10T00:00:00.000+01:002008-07-10T00:00:00.000+01:00I don't feel limited by class so much as mindset.A...I don't feel limited by class so much as mindset.<BR/><BR/>An interesting subject discussed by Paul McKenna (hypnotist)<BR/><BR/>He went to a comprehensive and his maths studies involved calculating a weekly shop<BR/><BR/>His friend went to private school and his maths studies involved calculating business takeovers.<BR/><BR/>My own belief is that there are very different classes now.<BR/><BR/>Chav class (underclass)<BR/><BR/>Working class (unskilled, low paid)<BR/><BR/>Skilled class (sometimes extremely well paid trades up to 100k pa)<BR/><BR/>Middle class (sometimes lowly paid but upper end unlimited)<BR/><BR/>Aristocracy (Premiership footballers)<BR/><BR/>Has beens (Royalty)<BR/><BR/><BR/>But seriously - if only we could get the skilled and middle class united in a new 'productive' class - recognising that they have broadly the same aspirations and values.<BR/><BR/>Then it wouldn't be so easy for socialists to divide and conquer.Electro-Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18073103431166273080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-35246461023480922222008-07-09T23:28:00.000+01:002008-07-09T23:28:00.000+01:00Easy tiger..Easy tiger..Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-63266067596531064262008-07-09T22:50:00.000+01:002008-07-09T22:50:00.000+01:00Newmania for Prime Minister!Newmania for Prime Minister!Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.com