tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post7609146060357889960..comments2024-01-30T09:22:08.167+00:00Comments on Newmania In Lewes: One Faces Death One Does NotNewmaniahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-58648667009612518802007-03-29T23:42:00.000+01:002007-03-29T23:42:00.000+01:00the main issue I have with bringing back the death...the main issue I have with bringing back the death penalty is the interminable appeals would make Cherie and her nasty lwayer ilk even richer. <BR/><BR/>I don`t agree that it is the main issue CU but it is certainly one . The cost would be mountainous. Thats one reason why I only envisage it as a symbolic possibility for a very very few. Nick Drew is right it would in practice be difficult to get a Jury to convict .<BR/><BR/>The truth also is that it won`t happen I more feel that asking the question why not is a scalpel to some of the ways things are changing that I detest. Really the answer is that we prefer to avoid the duty to do right by the dead and it is easy and convenient to forget that they were ever here.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Chewing gum eh EK Ha ha ha The Tories have policy for gum involving making the gum makers clear it up.<BR/><BR/>I would like the death penalty for pratty drivers that drive a foot from your back bumper. No trial no jury staright to execution.Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-71578214599183502892007-03-29T23:20:00.000+01:002007-03-29T23:20:00.000+01:00I'm for capital punishment, N. In order of vilenes...I'm for capital punishment, N. In order of vileness - examples:<BR/><BR/>- for money<BR/>- for sex<BR/>- psycopathic<BR/>(all capital offences)<BR/><BR/>- crimes of passion<BR/>- diminished responsibility<BR/>(hospitalisation/long incarceration)<BR/><BR/>I'm unsure of the terrorist issue. Not softy, just eclectic.<BR/><BR/>Spitting chewing gum <BR/>(capital offence)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-36307109384973168332007-03-29T23:13:00.000+01:002007-03-29T23:13:00.000+01:00the main issue I have with bringing back the death...the main issue I have with bringing back the death penalty is the interminable appeals would make Cherie and her nasty lwayer ilk even richer.CityUnslickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929544047783163175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-7535091454342666562007-03-29T22:12:00.000+01:002007-03-29T22:12:00.000+01:00I'd be happy to see a return to the death penalty ...I'd be happy to see a return to the death penalty _ with the added provisos that N mentions, plus, perhpas, DNA evidence.<BR/>In the menatime, perhaps we need to elect our judges? That would solve most of the problems with our criminal justice system. We'd at least get the justice we deserve! If people genuinely oppose the death penalty, surely they can see that the flabby excuse for justice we have now, (too few prison places, sentences too short and almost never served in full) actually encourages demands for the return of the DP. If 'life really did mean life' and all the rest, I suspect calls for harsher justice would be far more muted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-45573490308048217262007-03-29T22:02:00.000+01:002007-03-29T22:02:00.000+01:00Nice to see you EK I agree with you but to me th...Nice to see you EK I agree with you but to me the heart of it is this . The victim dies say is tortured and more than one.<BR/><BR/>How can it be right that somone who did this is still alive. We imprison him , reform him and so on and we feel better about it but is it right .<BR/>NO <BR/><BR/><BR/>Actually EK I have noticed you becoming such a softy recently I was wondering if you had been Ellee-ised . Its always a danger , she is such a sweet woman.Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-81384623826558334572007-03-29T21:58:00.000+01:002007-03-29T21:58:00.000+01:00Nick the image of the scales of justice , as I men...Nick the image of the scales of justice , as I mentioned , is not of the false balance of an eye for an eye . It is of the difficulty of weighing the with fine measurements to approximate , you might say “discover” justice. Did you know that in the development of common law it was assume d that the law was there and it was not written it was “discovered “ or defined.<BR/>This difficult process of Jurisprudence is one we go through to approximate to justice and we err at all times on the side of a presumption of innocence. If you go to far here of course it becomes a callous disregard of the victim. That abandonment of the primacy of Justice has had dreadful effects and one of these , along with everyone lese is the emotionalising as in selfishly emoting of modern people .<BR/><BR/>You are right it would be hard to get a conviction but even if it was the Jury would have to see the fate of the victim and this would be better than having no notion of justice at the heart of it at all<BR/><BR/><BR/>I do not agree thna one single one of the pople curently never comong out of prison present any difficulty on the uncertaintly score which is hugely exaggerated . What about the victim the father and wife . Is it conceivable that with a rope on his mind he might not have shot .<BR/><BR/>It would change the way I felt about itNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-1132539743458860192007-03-29T21:55:00.000+01:002007-03-29T21:55:00.000+01:00Another point. Capital punishment does not deter t...Another point. Capital punishment does not deter truly evil killers, but it does deter unauthentic copycats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-986262805066487332007-03-29T21:53:00.000+01:002007-03-29T21:53:00.000+01:00Hitch, you're a softy at heart. A 'sharp knife' ...Hitch, you're a softy at heart. A 'sharp knife' for Ian Huntley - a pair of pliars is much more fitting, actually. <BR/><BR/>We now have DNA as a more reliable source of evidence. Gradings of murder would also mitigate the pressure on juries in grey areas, although these are the very areas that skilled advocates exploit.<BR/><BR/>As for trading terrorists ? Should we ever do this ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-10140013573637840592007-03-29T20:24:00.000+01:002007-03-29T20:24:00.000+01:00full circle Mr M, this is the topic you raised wit...full circle Mr M, this is the topic you raised with me approx 10 seconds after we first met, if you recall, or was it 5<BR/><BR/>To touch on just one of ,000 aspects, the modern jury may not be up to your task: I served on one recently and some members (both m and f) admitted afterwards they cried when the perp (with a string of previous to his name, even his own Counsel said he couldn't claim Good Character) received ... a whole 12 months in the slammer<BR/><BR/>(not a murderer obviously)<BR/><BR/>Which brings us back to what we discussed before: absence of omnipresent God = absence of confidence with life'n'death issuesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-38943640357232196882007-03-29T20:14:00.000+01:002007-03-29T20:14:00.000+01:00Im with Philipapeados are incurable , hang all of ...Im with Philipa<BR/>peados are incurable , hang all of them.The Hitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17007793676288933155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-58983070014224726582007-03-29T18:58:00.000+01:002007-03-29T18:58:00.000+01:00They should all fry .......hmmm honestly Phillipa ...They should all fry .......hmmm honestly Phillipa you are such a wishy washy Liberal..( gulp)Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-71170953342837477862007-03-29T18:27:00.000+01:002007-03-29T18:27:00.000+01:00I think the death penalty would solve a lot of pro...I think the death penalty would solve a lot of problems. I think PH is correct in his belief that it's a deterrent and also that terrorists could not be traded if they're dead. Also, that it's a mistake to think that peadophiles can be rehabilitated, they should all fry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-25347549857697971492007-03-29T17:11:00.000+01:002007-03-29T17:11:00.000+01:00Well I appreciate the sentiment but personally I ...Well I appreciate the sentiment but personally I would have the death penalty restricted to those who , now , would get life as in reall life .<BR/>This is not justice exactly but there are other considertions.<BR/><BR/>Why do they all make such a fuss , do they think we are going to live forever ?Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-22159682358382078872007-03-29T16:45:00.000+01:002007-03-29T16:45:00.000+01:00I would happily walk that little fucker to a noose...I would happily walk that little fucker to a noose and hang him.<BR/>He has forfeit the right to exist.<BR/>He has done it , we all know that , he admitted it.<BR/>Hang him , it may give some other little shitbags something to think about.<BR/>There is no dignity in death , hang him in public before a large crowd of his "gangsta" pals and make them all walk past him and smell the piss and excrement leaking from his corpse.The Hitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17007793676288933155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-3238373394376382062007-03-29T13:15:00.000+01:002007-03-29T13:15:00.000+01:00Well HItchbi think the point is that the systekm o...Well HItchbi think the point is that the systekm of jurisprudence stands between us and revenge and approximates Justice .<BR/><BR/>The image of the scale shows the difficulty of getting this right , not the supposed eye for an eye balanceNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-7961143411592739292007-03-29T13:11:00.000+01:002007-03-29T13:11:00.000+01:00Suprise suprise I happen to agree with you , for t...Suprise suprise I happen to agree with you , for the most heinous crimes hanging is the best solution for all concerned , the family of the victim(s) get closure and the killer is better off dead , 40/50 years in prsion is a living hell.<BR/>I have say that I would limit death to a certain band of killings<BR/>look at the sally clark case or that of ian and angela gay , imagine how we would have felt had they been topped?<BR/>Ian huntley?<BR/>Give me a sharp knife and open his cell door.The Hitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17007793676288933155noreply@blogger.com