tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post6680397738302210144..comments2024-01-30T09:22:08.167+00:00Comments on Newmania In Lewes: 'Please, sir, I want some more.'Newmaniahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-60206915419643496292007-11-12T11:39:00.000+00:002007-11-12T11:39:00.000+00:00snicker ...snicker ...Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-35505055301318029252007-11-12T11:00:00.000+00:002007-11-12T11:00:00.000+00:00ah you made me smile newmania...perhaps we could e...ah you made me smile newmania...perhaps we could embark on a world wide crime spree...and go to each others countries to escape as neither seems to care about that issue...Daisyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15190578784452773984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-53277407952941590732007-11-12T10:48:00.000+00:002007-11-12T10:48:00.000+00:00Oh yes daist and here they want an amnesty for ill...Oh yes daist and here they want an amnesty for illegals ....I wonder what law i shouild break away now we know no-one needs bother with themNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-30962888012780167902007-11-12T10:16:00.000+00:002007-11-12T10:16:00.000+00:00newmania...we did come from all over the world to ...newmania...we did come from all over the world to be here...and struggle has always been a part of the "american way"...it is irritating to me when we are giving handouts as we are now yet selectively excluding those who came here legally...with a purpose to improve their lives...and are giving it to those who are here illegally and wanting to bring the crap they had in their own country into america...it is really a shame...however there are politics involved and several are benefitting...it is the few, the wealthy...everyone else is suffering due to it...but who am i to say what is right after all i am not a politician :)Daisyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15190578784452773984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-49835013082562573162007-11-12T09:21:00.000+00:002007-11-12T09:21:00.000+00:00Flo another thing about Blair was that hegave up a...Flo another thing about Blair was that hegave up all poltical life immediately so his earnings could not be monitored. The amount he ahs gone ion to make from America is a little worrying , don`t you thinkNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-56607958539267497462007-11-12T09:20:00.000+00:002007-11-12T09:20:00.000+00:00Well daisy thats exactly right in my view and Amer...Well daisy thats exactly right in my view and Americans camed from all over the world to be Americans.Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-3954804523782692852007-11-12T09:19:00.000+00:002007-11-12T09:19:00.000+00:00I'm afraid I don't subscribe to your mono-culture ...I'm afraid I don't subscribe to your mono-culture theory, I can't see how it is the job of the state to decide how we live our lives.<BR/><BR/>Unless there is a a cohering society outisde the state then the state has to and everyone will in fact beg the state to establish order. This is why the state hates that "Society"£ that is not the staste and is based on cultural ties.<BR/><BR/>This is the essence of ConservatismNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-13632608736571972462007-11-10T19:09:00.000+00:002007-11-10T19:09:00.000+00:00Newmania - Don't be SO sure it son't be you swept ...Newmania - Don't be SO sure it son't be you swept off the streets. Check this sorry tale out<BR/><BR/>http://gizmonaut.net/bits/suspect.html<BR/><BR/>And remember - never look too calm when entering a tube station. It's what terrorists do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-34449719721005922402007-11-10T13:25:00.000+00:002007-11-10T13:25:00.000+00:00Woops, meant to say golden pension package, not go...Woops, meant to say golden pension package, not golden salary package.<BR/><BR/>How do Blair and Brown's over-exalted pensions compare to Thatcher and Major's, I wonder?<BR/><BR/>Auntie Flo'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-43631856903375403952007-11-10T13:23:00.000+00:002007-11-10T13:23:00.000+00:00Another thing Thatcher - and Major- didn't do was ...Another thing Thatcher - and Major- didn't do was to dive, snout first,into the public purse in respect of their personal renumeration packages.<BR/><BR/>Sorry to go off topic here, but I've just read that, since becoming PM, Brown receives around £187,000 in TAKE HOME salary plus £135,000 expenses (last year).<BR/><BR/>That would compare very favourably with the packages taken by Thatcher and Major. <BR/><BR/>A substantial screw, given that he has the use of two prestigious homes - Downing Street and Chequers rent-free, plus meals and travel free with the job, a golden salary package and a huge range of other tax free perks.<BR/><BR/>However, is that £187,000 really take home pay? I was under the impression it was pre-tax earnings. <BR/><BR/>Auntie Flo'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-70775789583661078822007-11-10T07:10:00.000+00:002007-11-10T07:10:00.000+00:00for me it is not so much that i want a monoculture...for me it is not so much that i want a monoculture society...i just have problems with illegal immigration into the US...i think everyone should have the same chance, same benefit...my grandmother came here from italy and struggled hard because she didn't speak the language, but learned it...she was not weathly and struggled most of her life but ended up with a family to be proud of who were all very hard workers and supported her in the end...now we have a culture invading our country who are demanding benefits...services which were once held for citizens...and we are taking the money for those benefits for citizens away and giving it blindly to people who are here illegally. I have heard the argument that things are really bad in their own country and as cruel as this sounds...tough shit...if you want it different change it there...don't bring that here...they are flying their flag over our own...our entire country has to provide spanish speaking employees to service their needs...and to be honest it is bullsh*t...everyone wants more...everyone wants to take some from the next guy...and i am sick to death of it all...Daisyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15190578784452773984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-70058124398560985512007-11-09T17:36:00.000+00:002007-11-09T17:36:00.000+00:00Hmm I wasn't referring to the IRA, N. The Catholi...Hmm I wasn't referring to the IRA, N. The Catholics I was referring to were longer ago than that.<BR/><BR/>I'm afraid I don't subscribe to your mono-culture theory, I can't see how it is the job of the state to decide how we live our lives.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-50209267515086620092007-11-09T17:11:00.000+00:002007-11-09T17:11:00.000+00:00Back on MondayBack on MondayNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-64569601782948215472007-11-09T17:10:00.000+00:002007-11-09T17:10:00.000+00:00...I understand the opposion however to allowing t......I understand the opposion however to allowing the state to have such powers though ,which why I oppose 56 days which is what the question actually is ...Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-13467972093850191592007-11-09T17:09:00.000+00:002007-11-09T17:09:00.000+00:00Doing nothing is worse Ed and the people who have ...Doing nothing is worse Ed and the people who have the job of protecting us wnat a lot more than 28 days as you know.<BR/><BR/>Not letting them in is a simplification of what I am suggesting Ed which is that we attended to the coherence of the nation and the culrture surrounding what is required of new comers .Even now , as you know we are allowing the seeds of the nest Terrorists atrocity to be preached all over the country.<BR/><BR/>We are not only a danger to ourlselves but the base for Europe and for attacks on America , we have been astonishingly foolhardy. My very point is that a situation has been alowed to develop where civil Liberties are threatened.There were endless warnings .<BR/><BR/>The relationship between English Cathlics and the IRA is not the same as that between Muslims and Terorrists , not at least according to Muslims when surveyed on their attitudes.Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-4479552002263698432007-11-09T16:55:00.000+00:002007-11-09T16:55:00.000+00:00Sorry N I don't think we are under constant attack...Sorry N I don't think we are under constant attack from nuclear powered terrorists.<BR/><BR/>The 7/7 bombers got through - but they were armed with a bit of soap and an Argos alarm clock. Yes it was horrific but does locking people up pre-emptively really protect us against the determined or does it go on to encourage others to rage against the state.<BR/><BR/>It's also nonsense to suggest that we "shouldn't have let them in". Sorry N I totally disagree with you on this. What would you do, deport all Muslims on the basis that they might eventually become terrorists? Didn't "we" try that against the Catholics?Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-10697318543493289562007-11-09T16:51:00.000+00:002007-11-09T16:51:00.000+00:00Daisy its odd you say that because we are certainl...Daisy its odd you say that because we are certainly told that Muslims have quite different attitudes from here. In the UK surveys show a hoffifying emerging attitude of denial and radicalism. The young are worse than the old which is bewildering to me .<BR/><BR/>I am not a fan of Multi-culturalism myself and without wishing to be fascistic about it I think when you go to a country you should be prepared to love the country and defer to its ways when they conflict with yours in the public sphere at the very least .<BR/><BR/>In such an environment civil Liberties are far easier to maintain.<BR/><BR/>None of this is mysterious and my view is that people just get on with it given a chance but with such high numbers always overwhelming the existing population its awfully difficult .Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-73153039596172496482007-11-09T16:36:00.000+00:002007-11-09T16:36:00.000+00:00i'm not really sure what you are under the impress...i'm not really sure what you are under the impression of the relationship with muslims in the states...but it is not good...the press presents good things and you always hear about how people are supportive but to be honest it is not like that in reality...day to day living...people are basically doing a "sharks surrounding the bleeding victim" type approach...we let them have their place and when they step out of that...they are made uncomfortable by the "supportive people" they are either in such a victim script that they get everything they want or are excluded completely...people are tired of being told that they must assimilate to the beliefs of everyone in the world and are to be honest not as accepting as it appears in the press...we are such a diverse population and when you go to the main large cities it is different of course...but in mainstream...it isn't pretty...and it isn't something to be proud of...but we present well don't we?Daisyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15190578784452773984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-31495193873528031572007-11-09T16:31:00.000+00:002007-11-09T16:31:00.000+00:00Flo you have to bear in mind that we are potetiall...Flo you have to bear in mind that we are potetially under what might be a nuclear scale attack. the fact that there has not been one is not for lack of trying .<BR/><BR/>How many planes involving up to 70 plotters would have ploughed through US cities ...12 was it ? <BR/>Things had changed .These are not citizens they are enemies <BR/><BR/>Anyway ,I am against 56 days far more than I am for 28 days.Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-15157844474111083512007-11-09T16:26:00.000+00:002007-11-09T16:26:00.000+00:00Ed ping pong with the courts is pointless if in pr...Ed ping pong with the courts is pointless if in practice terrorist suspects can be detained for 28 days either way.What you say makes no sense unless you want them to be set free , which i take it is a risk you are ready to run for the sake of our wider freedoms .<BR/><BR/>I think we are bit beyond thatNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-82566637437449159262007-11-09T16:14:00.000+00:002007-11-09T16:14:00.000+00:00Where would you have started from?I would not have...Where would you have started from?<BR/><BR/>I would not have knowingly imported a population that detests the country in the first place and I would never have supprted multicultiral polcies that have worsened the problem. I regard the extension of state coercion and the fact of a pulverise civil coherent society as directly related and i prefer we had the sort of realtionship with Muslim minorities they have in the statesNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-61717224603214822252007-11-09T16:00:00.000+00:002007-11-09T16:00:00.000+00:00I am always mindful that what happened to 80 odd y...I am always mindful that what happened to 80 odd year old Walter Woolfgang - and much worse - could have happened to any of us under this civil liberty abusing government.<BR/><BR/>So I agree with Ed on this. There is no need for internment of anyone for any longer than the 48 hours which was the norm before nulab's dark forces took control of our country. <BR/><BR/>I think it should be a mandatory requirement that to detain any suspect for longer, the police/security forces must either charge the suspect or bring them before a court to request and justify an extension of the custody period. If this does not happen then Habeas Corpus or similar protective measure should be automatically invoked.<BR/><BR/>Where an extension of custody is agreed by a court, this should be for a specified, determinate period of reasonable duration, at the end of which the suspect must be brought back to court and the authorities must have sound justification for any further extension.<BR/><BR/>Auntie Flo'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-35221921115468062312007-11-09T15:49:00.000+00:002007-11-09T15:49:00.000+00:00You are right N, it is just the government grabbin...You are right N, it is just the government grabbing more power when it can, which is why I can't understand why you support 28 days. It's only a compromise because it's less than they asked for originally. It wouldn't have been a compromise if Blair hadn't asked for 90. Next 56 will be the compromise, then 90 will be the compromise when they ask for 120.<BR/><BR/>And even when charged they can't defend themselves! Some justice.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-33819860923603647282007-11-09T15:37:00.001+00:002007-11-09T15:37:00.001+00:00Well you put the problem well Daisy. What I fear ...Well you put the problem well Daisy. What I fear is that Governments like an enemy and an emergency so they can justify taking power . It is the classic way of intruding on free individualsNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-18691023495726417962007-11-09T15:37:00.000+00:002007-11-09T15:37:00.000+00:00Well you put the problem well Daisy. What I fear ...Well you put the problem well Daisy. What I fear is that Governments like an enemy and an emergency so they can justify taking power . It is the classic way of intruding on free individualsNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.com