tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post4334272521958458661..comments2024-01-30T09:22:08.167+00:00Comments on Newmania In Lewes: Both Ends Against The MiddleNewmaniahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-14446872750294180242009-02-04T11:19:00.000+00:002009-02-04T11:19:00.000+00:00I was a are you were very academic Phillipa . I wo...I was a are you were very academic Phillipa . I would say you were sort of shabby aristocracy.<BR/>Its intersting what you say though , we do have a culture that despises work and especially manufacturing .Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-7649015435553257602009-02-03T14:16:00.000+00:002009-02-03T14:16:00.000+00:00Newms, did you see my result on the political map ...Newms, did you see my result on the political map test? Bottom left 1/4 and slightly to the right of Gandhi. Seems fairly correct when I looked Gandhi up. <BR/><BR/>It's true I am on medication right now but seem to remember that Blue thinks British workers in manufacturing deserve no better pay and conditions than Indian (and presumably chinese) workers. And apparently they read the sort of newspapers that attract ridicule and wear the wrong type of hats to garner any respect at all. Whereas people who do not make anything useful but carry a briefcase and think themselves very important deserve... ?<BR/><BR/>If washed up on a desert island I would much rather find myself with a carpenter than a banker or a lawyer.<BR/><BR/>I am from a family and an area that manufactures things. We make things that are useful and that in turn creates employment. Useful employment. We don't trade on peoples unhappiness, we make things. We have the 'wrong' accent and drive big cars. We don't call our parents 'mama' or 'papa'. "I do not feel guilty about anything , I am sort of working class well lower middle at a pinch" as I have two degrees but no longer work so I can't really be called 'working class'!Philipahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440234602399886097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-85200999149213161022009-02-03T08:20:00.000+00:002009-02-03T08:20:00.000+00:00Hi Flo , yes I was aware of the EDF connection.I ...Hi Flo , yes I was aware of the EDF connection.I am going to do a ost about th EU later todayNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-67643838025536695792009-02-02T23:51:00.000+00:002009-02-02T23:51:00.000+00:00Up the workers!Thank God you're back, Newms. It's ...Up the workers!<BR/><BR/>Thank God you're back, Newms. It's been a cultural desert on the blogs without you, lad.<BR/><BR/>I've just been having similar thoughts on Tom Harris's blog.<BR/><BR/>"Some time ago, Dizzy pointed out that:<BR/><BR/>“Between 2003 and 2005 EDF Energy, 70% owned by the French state, donated a total of £43000 to the Conservatives and Labour. £31000 and £12000 respectively”<BR/><BR/>Dizzy also points out that EDF employ Gordon Brown’s brother.<BR/><BR/>http://dizzythinks.net/2008/01/silence-on-andrew-brown-explained.html<BR/><BR/>EDF, who are taking over swathes of UK’s nuclear power industry, are linked to Total:<BR/><BR/>“Electricité de France (EDF) and Total today increased their respective stakes in Total Energie, a company specialising in photovoltaic solar energy, to 50% each with the acquisition of the 20% interest held by the founders and management of the company. Total Energie will now be known as TENESOL”<BR/><BR/>My guess is that there will be a huge backlash against Brown and Mandelson for telling working people in UK, who are fighting for their jobs against the might of these corporate giants, to effectively get on their bikes. <BR/><BR/>Equally, I think there will be a backlash against William Hague for his mealy mouthed attack on these workers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-35523720301616563502009-02-02T18:36:00.000+00:002009-02-02T18:36:00.000+00:00I did not register any special accent BE I simply ...I did not register any special accent BE I simply read what you had just written"I went to a different type of school than you ...." .I assumed you meant a better one ? That is all I know about your background .Furthermore just because I believe immigration should be controlled and our powerlessness to run our own country is regrettable does not mean I appreciate a racist campaign fermenting trouble against blameless Poles.<BR/><BR/>You are obsessed with your social status , I am indifferentNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-17200658575787346182009-02-02T16:40:00.000+00:002009-02-02T16:40:00.000+00:00Poor little Lord FauntleroyBeautifully constructed...<I>Poor little Lord Fauntleroy</I><BR/><BR/>Beautifully constructed argument there, N. Which side were you on in Crewe, again?<BR/><BR/>You know nothing about my background other than that which you gleaned from my accent. You are a snob, sir.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-50157678123463499102009-02-02T15:12:00.000+00:002009-02-02T15:12:00.000+00:00Ahh right so because I went to a different type of...Ahh right so because I went to a different type of school than you did my opinion is not valid. Well done N. Newmania, Newlabour.<BR/><BR/>Well thats a new sort of identity politics . Poor little Lord Fauntleroy..... anyway I went to a v good school.<BR/>It is not patronising to object to ordinary people and their lives being sacrificed to a bookish docrinal fad which in my view is ill conceived .<BR/>Its not as if the EU and its one size fits all edicts have worked well in other ways . This is one more . What was supposed to be part of a free market becomes a destructive assault on liveliehoods in real life because Labour can never be a free market <BR/><BR/><BR/> Are you seriously suggesting that highly skilled unemployed family bread winners should be told they can go and pick grapes in Southern Italy ?<BR/>Where are your Conservative instincts BE ? What about conserving skills and inbfra structure what about long term values the market is bad at?<BR/><BR/>You are like a highway robber who wehn his "guests plead that they will strave say " Aha I have faith in your human spirit , I bet you don`t ..FAREWELL ! AHA HA HA ! "Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-69495691933798758032009-02-02T13:58:00.000+00:002009-02-02T13:58:00.000+00:00Ahh right so because I went to a different type of...Ahh right so because I went to a different type of school than you did my opinion is not valid. Well done N. Newmania, Newlabour.<BR/><BR/>BTW I don't think that people need "looking after" in your patronising parlance. I have faith in the human spirit, unlike patrician "Conservatives".<BR/><BR/>It's interesting to watch people's reactions in a crisis. I am assured day-by-day that I do not belong in either of the main parties.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-22159369436436476942009-02-02T12:35:00.000+00:002009-02-02T12:35:00.000+00:00How is freedom of movement any kind of abandonment...How is freedom of movement any kind of abandonment? This is the BNP fallacy. The single market makes us *all* richer. Free trade makes us *all* richer - even these romantic working class heroes you feel guilty about.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I do not feel guilty about anything , I am sort of working class well lower middle at a pinch . \My parents left svhool at sixteen , my father was in the army has a tattoo . My aunt was the dinner lady at my school. I am not like you BE.<BR/>There is no such thing as afree movement of Labour it is an attempt to confuse the free trade in goods and services with the subject of immigration and sovereignty . People cannot transfer real jobs and skills ( Although I must admit the building industry has always been something of an exception going right back to the Masons and their international guild which built the Cathedrals ). Skills and infra structure are what makes free trade work , free trade in labour destroys exactly that . I would no more approve of unfettered international capitalism destroying his and communities than I would allow the to buy up Sussex churches and turn them into car parks because the market said so<BR/><BR/><BR/>Asquith I do not see that there is balance between trade , markets and protecting people . Any Conservative will be mindful of both but above all the latter. Of course its complicated in real life but then Clegg is still banging on about the Euro . Thanks god no-ones listeningNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-50992836425173451632009-02-02T12:05:00.000+00:002009-02-02T12:05:00.000+00:00Is there any evidence that David Cameron's Tor...Is there any evidence that David Cameron's Tories share your views? It seems to me that they don't, given recent statements by the front bench on this matter.<BR/><BR/>Whatever you may think about these strikes, I don't see how you can keep conjuring up this image of the ideal Conservative, when Cameron & co don't conform to it.asquithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246701347539264295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-31388651694273351142009-02-02T12:02:00.000+00:002009-02-02T12:02:00.000+00:00How is freedom of movement any kind of abandonment...How is freedom of movement any kind of abandonment? This is the BNP fallacy. The single market makes us *all* richer. Free trade makes us *all* richer - even these romantic working class heroes you feel guilty about.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-53205475617411915072009-02-02T11:53:00.000+00:002009-02-02T11:53:00.000+00:00"British Workers" movement is based on some idea t..."British Workers" movement is based on some idea that British people are better than any others. I disagree.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I do not contend that my childen are better than anyone elses nonetheless they come first last and in between in any consideration becuse they are mine .<BR/><BR/>Thats what a country is.I apreicte the Unions are a conflicting subject in this context but I cannot have the workuing classes abandoned for an elitist empire`s sakeNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-3487890425633067052009-02-02T11:47:00.000+00:002009-02-02T11:47:00.000+00:00I don't think I am a Tory then. I find myself thi...I don't think I am a Tory then. I find myself thinking that this "British Workers" movement is based on some idea that British people are better than any others. I disagree.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-39179507835857075332009-02-02T11:36:00.000+00:002009-02-02T11:36:00.000+00:00newmania...some people will never understand that ...newmania...some people will never understand that and will always argue that it is anti immigration...blah blah...they don't have the comprehension to realize when you open all of those trades up you get what comes in and without those unions what you get is not what you originally thought...take a lesson from the US...when our trade market opened wider (for those who are like this gent) we got substandard materials, labor, etc...you get what you pay for...now they are trying to get BACK the unions...seems it was a mistake...don't think you all need to make to understand it as well...perhaps this fellow needs to read OUR history for a change...lolDaisyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15190578784452773984noreply@blogger.com