tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post2862377309498361025..comments2024-01-30T09:22:08.167+00:00Comments on Newmania In Lewes: The Dream of The Super StateNewmaniahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-45827143943703311792007-07-13T16:35:00.000+01:002007-07-13T16:35:00.000+01:00Kev - see comment above re 'solidarity'. It reall...Kev - see comment above re 'solidarity'. It really means something quite specific and actionable to them - more than we realise.Nick Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670594203660051701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-4705238984030808622007-07-13T15:35:00.000+01:002007-07-13T15:35:00.000+01:00The British desire to dive in came from that perio...The British desire to dive in came from that period of national insecurity post WW2 and pre-Thatcher when our leaders wanted to try and make Britain feel important again. We'd lost our economic lead to the Americans and our strength was destroyed by the war. The Empire was disintegrating.<BR/><BR/>But what these people don't realise is that there's nothing wrong with being a smallish country without much influence on the world stage. Our politicians spend far too much time and effort trying to make us think they are important instead of getting on with making the country run well. It's all their own vanity of course like Blair wanting a "legacy" etc.<BR/><BR/>It's the voters who are the mugs, because many have blind faith that all the decisions are made with our best interests at heart.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-88934657790562604122007-07-13T15:28:00.000+01:002007-07-13T15:28:00.000+01:00I am perplexed. The EU appears to be undoubtedly h...I am perplexed. The EU appears to be undoubtedly hedgmonic, but where does this impetus to unite come from ? Catholicism ?? Where ?<BR/><BR/>I can see the point of poorer countries wishing to dive in, but why so for more powerful ones such as Germany, France ... us ?<BR/><BR/>Why would our national leaders wish to cede their power to a centralising body - as it seems they do - any more than you or I ?Electro-Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18073103431166273080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-44171613338970471572007-07-13T15:12:00.000+01:002007-07-13T15:12:00.000+01:00Why shouldn`t he not at least make some initial en...Why shouldn`t he not at least make some initial enquiries . Its not that hard.Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-12067682939838274972007-07-13T15:04:00.000+01:002007-07-13T15:04:00.000+01:00Yes Ed I think you should become an MP immediately...Yes Ed I think you should become an MP immediately - it wouldn't keep you out the pub tho ;-)Philipahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440234602399886097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-27194313870472265722007-07-13T14:58:00.000+01:002007-07-13T14:58:00.000+01:00Hey N, a couple of my friends at the pub last nigh...Hey N, a couple of my friends at the pub last night were discussing your blog - you are famous!Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-52188943132910860902007-07-13T14:57:00.001+01:002007-07-13T14:57:00.001+01:00Hurrah! And I agreed with you on Lilith's blog a ...Hurrah! And I agreed with you on Lilith's blog a few minutes ago.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-29607115957604821142007-07-13T14:57:00.000+01:002007-07-13T14:57:00.000+01:00Ed is very good P . MP material ...I `m just an ol...Ed is very good P . MP material ...I `m just an old moaner.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I think there would be some nervousness about actually leaving , I would share it . It cuts along Party lines so its a less good point than it might appear.Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-62364728599202811642007-07-13T14:52:00.000+01:002007-07-13T14:52:00.000+01:00Ed - I have to say that I've done a complete 180 r...Ed - I have to say that I've done a complete 180 regarding your thoughts and comments and find myself agreeing with you at mostly every turn. Newmania, you have real competition here!Philipahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440234602399886097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-83189498122619147762007-07-13T12:08:00.000+01:002007-07-13T12:08:00.000+01:00Anon makes a good point though - the official part...Anon makes a good point though - the official party position is pro-EU but a reformed EU but most Tories are either pro-integration (small number) or pro-out.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-34013933449277778012007-07-13T12:00:00.000+01:002007-07-13T12:00:00.000+01:00That way the Tories would campaign for it, Which o...That way the Tories would campaign for it, <BR/><BR/>Which ones would they be then ? Such a referendum would be lost and the C0nservative Party could not carry a pro Europe position not shared by its membership.<BR/><BR/>Foolish anon.If you aren`t interested in politics then why comment ?Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-60897996577126172192007-07-13T11:56:00.000+01:002007-07-13T11:56:00.000+01:00I think we should have a referendum on EU membersh...I think we should have a referendum on EU membership. That way the Tories would campaign for it, which would wind up saddo activists like you. ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-85342375473318976962007-07-13T11:18:00.000+01:002007-07-13T11:18:00.000+01:00Cornwall has managed it.. The EU fabricated myth o...Cornwall has managed it.. <BR/><BR/><BR/>The EU fabricated myth of an independent Cornwall is exactly the sort of thing I am going to develop next Mutley<BR/><BR/>Well done on the prize Nick...there is certainly an anti Americanism involvedNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-51864453606047132972007-07-13T10:44:00.000+01:002007-07-13T10:44:00.000+01:00Mutt, a romantic notion but a bit defeatist, becau...Mutt, a romantic notion but a bit defeatist, because I reckon a number of things in Euroland are going (coming) our way<BR/><BR/><I>la luta continua!</I><BR/><BR/>(PS I realise this gets a bit boring, but verification is ekbomit !)Nick Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670594203660051701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-55743692713125201622007-07-13T10:05:00.000+01:002007-07-13T10:05:00.000+01:00It is probably better to make the country "imagina...It is probably better to make the country "imaginary" or even "legendary and fabulous" as it means that in law it does not exist and cannot be taken over... What do you think of that for a scheme?? Cornwall has managed it..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-51069234695435932442007-07-13T09:55:00.000+01:002007-07-13T09:55:00.000+01:00I read about the assemblies on another blog somewh...I read about the assemblies on another blog somewhere no idea whether it's true but it sounds plausible. Now all the responsibilities they have are under the direct control of Brown. So much for pluralism.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-60682000850045318882007-07-13T09:52:00.000+01:002007-07-13T09:52:00.000+01:00An important theme Mr Mania, I look forward to you...An important theme Mr Mania, I look forward to your developing it. Two early interjections:<BR/><BR/>(a) things we don't intuitively grasp - as I've said somewhere recently, probs HG, we don't grasp 'solidarity' in quite the way it's meant in Euroland. Something like "<I>we know the CAP is corrupt and inefficient, but it's a price worth paying for solidarity with rural communities</I>". <BR/><BR/>Just as we didn't grasp how deadly serious the West Germans were all through the '70s and '80s when they quietly told anyone who was prepared to listen that they were striving for reunification and nothing would stop them.<BR/><BR/>(b) the rejection of the 'Anglo Saxon' (<I>irony !</I>) economic & business model: only a little below the surface, this means rejection of the <I>New York financiers</I> model, which in turn means ... yes, you guessed, it is thinly disguised anti-semitism, be in no doubt.<BR/><BR/>(shall I collect the Godwin's Law prize now, or at the end of the series?)Nick Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670594203660051701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-73408430311850291732007-07-13T09:32:00.000+01:002007-07-13T09:32:00.000+01:00When you think about it Ed Germany and Italy were...When you think about it Ed Germany and Italy were unified yesterday by our standards . They have absolutely no concept of a culturally coherent demos . Thanks for looking in i fear this is rather a dry suject and its nice to know one or two have a look at least.<BR/>One thing I notice is that its not as if German Europeanism is driven my overtly malign motives it has behind it a sort of expansionism but because it believes it is for the good.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The German vision is something quite alien to this country though and there are many whose jobs dep[end on its continued momentum and that is where it ceases to be a view and becomes a plot .<BR/><BR/>Has Brown abolished the Regional assemblied Ed ? When was that I didn`t notice ?Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35649541.post-56565163014783539702007-07-13T00:07:00.000+01:002007-07-13T00:07:00.000+01:00Yes let's all play happy Europeans - who cares wha...Yes let's all play happy Europeans - who cares what the voters think, they are too stupid to understand. This is exactly the kind of attitude from the political elite that has led to war, twice, in the 20th century. Hey how about trying it again?<BR/><BR/>They know perfectly well that England is the oldest and strongest nation in Europe (in face the first nation ever and the nation that launched a thousand... ok well America). To make Europe as a federal dream you have to break England. I wonder why Brown has just abolished the failed regional assemblies? Is it so he can bring them under direct control.<BR/><BR/>Wake up England. Wake up America you might have to save us again.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.com